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We’re wayyyyy into legal opinion territory here. I have been shooting custom built big bore pneumatics since the mid-ninety's and I tried sabots several times trying to work out all the problems. it is a mod for archwing and there isnt much archwing content, or is there? Just guessing but assume velocity plays a major role for a sabot to work. Its high time the air industry made what A certain amount drag is actually needed in the bore to get a good pulse of air, the low friction plastic sabots seemed to leave the barrel to quickly and hence did not have good velocity after all, OR I had to adjust the pressure up so high it was very inefficient and consumed much more air per shot. fuznut caliber they are used in. I was shooting them in a 45 Quackenbush which is an old style air rifle and wished I had some today to try in a better, more modern Texan. Online course helps you to get your FFL fast and easy.
However I meet many people who vehemently disagree. Note that there is a bit of pistol ammo that uses sabot but it too is know for poorer accuracy (but in real world defense situations, a pistol is a short range weapon so accuracy is a much littler consideration. far less of an issue on a bullet than a pellet so less drift. felons and other “prohibited persons“) and therefore the possession of an empty case is enough to cause trouble.
To explore this topic, we’ll first discuss the federal definition of armor piercing ammo (which actually applies to armor piercing bullets) and then we’ll cover what licensing is needed in order to make ammunition for sale (whether it is AP ammo or regular ammunition). For example, “green tip” 5.56 ammunition (the military/NATO variation of .223 Remington) has been exempted by the ATF even though it has a tungsten steel “armor piercing” core. The sabot, which is designed to break up at the muzzle to release the penetrator, must also survive the gun environment until launch. Since I really would rather not go to prison, yet would like to make my own AP ammo for myself without giving it to anyone or selling it, I would be very grateful for your interpretation and ruling on the subject.
Forums › Pellets, Projectiles, Slugs, & Ammo › SABOT PLEASE, Been waiting forever am tired of it.
These same .224/.308 Accelerators shot very well in handloads for a 300 Savage and also pretty darn well as a 20% reduced load in a 300 Weatherby interestingly enough so it was not the projectiles, just the air rifle. I need to find a good "airgun" book.
The legal defense for that could be questionable and I live in a right to defend yourself state.) Been waiting forever am tired of it. Sabots have their own set of physics when it comes to accuracy. Knowing that each component is ammunition by itself is an important distinction here.
Fit the .224 bullets into our Sabots with the Sabot Bullet Seater die.
If a man can do that. I did hunt hogs and deer with pistols in the past and sabot handloads just did not have the accuracy I required for my honorable hunting ethics. It is injection moulded of … When you fired an Accelerator round the sabot holding the .22 caliber bullet in the mouth of the cartridge case zipped down the barrel and then dropped off right as it exited the muzzle. Why at The biggie, the holy grail for air gunners is it would free you from the restraints of drag
Google Sussex Sabot pellets. Shooting lighter pellets will generally give higher velocities but at a certain point the valving gets wonky because the pressure, valve dwell time, internal valve springs, hammer weight all combine to be very inefficient if set up for regular pellets. Confused, 3006 Black tip is strictly made for rifles, but, the bullet itself could possible be removed from the 06 case and inserted in a handgun case making it illegal “Armor Piercing ” ammo ? even on the plains i think i fire my primary weapon and not the archwing weapon, so why do people demand so much platinum for this mod? But the definitions section of the ATF’s Federal Firearms Regulations Guidebook states that “manufacture” or “manufacturer” means “any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for the purposes of sale or distribution.” I can find nothing that indicates it is illegal on a federal for a private citizen to make their own armor piercing ammunition for their own possession and personal use.
It is usually metallic (most often made of brass, but can be aluminum, steel, or polymer), A full-jacketed bullet larger than .22 caliber. When you start to run sabots. a sabot [ or some hybrid of it'] will be the round of choice for most. If you want to make or sell AP ammo, you’ll need to get a Type 9, 10, or 11 FFL and you’ll also need to become a Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT). A pellet remains true to the center axis of the barrel while sabots don't. Check out the Umarex Hammer Shot Show 2018 videos - they also show the sabot slugs in those videos. It may well prove to be the way things go. If so then yes you will have a hard go of it.
Or the definition could be that a sabot is a caliber sized cup that holds a sub-caliber projectile that separates/drops off after leaving the barrel.
This is because a brass bullet for a .223 Remington cartridge is now “armor piercing” in the eyes of the ATF because it can be used in a handgun. © Valve Corporation. Best I could ever get was 2.5" at 50 yards but about 16 inches at 100 so they were just tumbling for some reason.
The air gun industry seems to be doing just what black powder has already done. I apologize, but I can’t give you a legal opinion without you being my client. On and on it would take a novel For the life of me, if there is some technological stone wall I don’t see it. Cool story thanks for sharing. Thank you for clarifying several points, but there is still one that eludes me.
I sure as hell wont question anything he says. I assume you are shooting sabots intended for, black powder through your air guns.
(Or hang out here more often than I do.). The ATF has defined many bullets, that are typically rifle bullets, as able to be used in a handgun.
Before we discuss AP ammunition, we first need to look at the federal definition for ammunition: 18 USC 921(a)(17): (A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm. A sabot is a device usually made of plastic that will fit whatever caliber size. I did hunt hogs and deer with pistols in the past and sabot handloads just did not have the accuracy I required for my honorable hunting ethics. I hunt hogs exclusively with air rifles now so consistent accuracy is more important than a target shooter who might not like a flyer but can accept … Third, there are licensing requirements for making ammunition for sale. We air gunners should be doing the same especially in the larger calibers . even on the plains i think i fire my primary weapon and not the archwing weapon, so why do people demand so much platinum for this mod? Sabot slugs – pronounced “SAY-BO” – are the improved and technologically superior brother of rifled slugs, because they simply offer more accuracy and longer range from a shotgun, typically with a rifled barrel.This type of slug is encased (or otherwise attached) to a wad or bore-sleeve – which basically grips the rifling in the barrel and gives the projectile inside the spin needed to fly smoothly. Under federal law, “armor piercing ammunition” is: 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. All rights reserved. As you can see, the legal definition for ammunition includes all the components of ammunition… it isn’t just the completed round of ammunition. For example, a .223 Remington cartridge which is what most AR-15s fire, is a rifle cartridge.
And I never could get much accuracy compared with regular pellets or slugs. black powder boot or belt as you call it works well and is far easier to manufacture than a true sabot. Get Started. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Example 2: I have a small injection molding company locally and four years ago one of the guys I know turned me on to some custom .45 sabots for .357 bullets that were produced for a small manufacturer who was making 45ACP pistol ammunition and was testing the concept but when the project was cancelled I got all the ones produced but not shipped out yet. As you can see, the legal definition for ammunition includes all the components of ammunition… it isn’t just the completed round of ammunition. Check out the Umarex Hammer Shot Show 2018 videos – they also show the sabot slugs in those videos. Lol look at the tumbling bullet target. Spin needs to be imparted to the slug clasped inside a plastic shell and they should separate after exiting the barrel, now that's where things go wrong. Learn how your comment data is processed.
When they first appeared in blk p the early ones were crap too.
the pellet gun would be a whole different thing that you probably don't want a kid in the back yard having access to. How much accuracy does a defensive shooter need in a pistol? I would love to try a sabot round in my airguns! (Or hang out here more often than I do.
nice piece.
Umarex is offering an entire line of Sabot projectiles for the Hammer and Black Powder rifles as well.
Provided a person lives in a state and locale where no laws forbid the possession of armor piercing ammunition, it would seem to be a perfectly legal act.
They used to be available in the UK.
I used the search … Accuracy and, sabots has already advanced considerably from when they were first available.
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